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My Last Lore Theory Before Elden Ring's Shadow of the Erdtree DLC Releases
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Hey everyone. I've struggled with making this video for a long time because it requires a lot of recontextualizing of the Japanese text of Elden Ring to make sense. I've definitely talked around the topic a few times in my other videos, but I haven't addressed exactly how I imagined the Crucible being the Erdtree really fits together because it would potentially detract too much from other points in my previous videos.
But now with Shadow of the Erdtree on the horizon, I figure I have to unleash my last tinfoil, crackpot lore theory onto the world for posterity's sake.
If you're playing lore bingo, you'll almost certainly succeed since I mention all the usual suspects: Japanese text, English comparisons, Marika, Radagon, the Gloam Eyed Queen, Destined Death, etc.
I originally wanted this video to be longer and wanted to speak more on the whole Greattree debacle and how we're told the Erdtree was born during the War Against the Giants, but so many leaks surfacing, I had to cut things short and scramble to get this done. I hope you enjoy it regardless.
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0:00 - Intro & Disclaimers
2:20 - The Crucible is the Erdtree
12:30 - Credits
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КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @1990rable
    @1990rable 15 годин тому

    i get naruto pain vibes with the meaning of the frenzied flame. iam not sure yet, melina said something that i thought was genuine and hit the spot she said something like "theres death, theres birth theres beauty in that, dont you think?" its true. theres beauty in it. however, i think the lands between are beyond repair and twisted/fd up place. not sure yet

  • @yalhexander5641
    @yalhexander5641 18 годин тому

    This is like saying nuke the world so that no one is distinguishable from the ashes. This ending is literally "Life is tough, kill yourself"

  • @matthewmartinez9835
    @matthewmartinez9835 День тому

    Ram being called a idiot is so fucking funny to me considering the consequences for her and the entire yharnam city

  • @berry.juice3
    @berry.juice3 День тому

    top 3 lore videos i ever watched. thanks

  • @EvanMann7
    @EvanMann7 2 дні тому

    I dropped it after cosmo canyon, its a chore to even work out how to get to transmitters and those mini games. Chadley and his annoying voice childish characters endless hours of Filler. Is there any decent story driven games out there? Answers on a postcard please.

  • @comradecatbug5289
    @comradecatbug5289 2 дні тому

    The Velka of Elden Ring

  • @AwesomeDeBawesome
    @AwesomeDeBawesome 3 дні тому

    1:34:24 I don't know if this was discussed by anyone, but Hyetta mentioning that 'the others who give her grapes' howl wordlessly and tremble, those others might not be ghosts. They might be people who went mad, took out their own eye(s), and gave them to her. It reminds me of Shabiri's Howl as well. As said later in the chat, we might seem more firm in terms of body language or mentality. The ghost from the first grape might just be the spirit left over after the body died.

  • @nemosenpai
    @nemosenpai 4 дні тому

    this is not buddhism bro, thats fatalism

  • @boblionia
    @boblionia 4 дні тому

    Something that always annoyed me about DS2 is how everyone bigs up Lucatiel's dialogue, when it is literally just her telling you what DS1 was meant to make you feel. DS1 had this dialogue in but they conveyed it to you with gameplay and atmosphere instead of having a character smacl you over the head with it.

  • @LeonKssidy
    @LeonKssidy 5 днів тому

    It seems like a war between the sun and the moon…😅

  • @J_VS
    @J_VS 6 днів тому

    I'm playing the dlc, does not Disappoint.🔥

  • @SleepyMami
    @SleepyMami 6 днів тому

    I've been watching the streams while I've been getting my Tarnished ready for the dlc. The day is finally upon us! Good luck, have fun and thanks for the streams!

  • @JohnWilson-nt2cx
    @JohnWilson-nt2cx 6 днів тому

    awesome video

  • @tempershot6311
    @tempershot6311 6 днів тому

    You just convinced me not to do it. I'm no extinctionist brah

  • @YONE.MIE.
    @YONE.MIE. 6 днів тому

    W TAKE IN THE FIRST 20 seconds. IF YOU PLAYED DARK SOULS YOU KNOW SHI IS CORRUPT!!! Being lord of the frenzied flame is hella chad energy

  • @Lee-km7qq
    @Lee-km7qq 7 днів тому

    I wonder if Nephelli's dialogue is meant to be a sort of parallel to Marika's reasoning as to why she ultimately did what she did.

  • @johnathonsnape-mclean3457
    @johnathonsnape-mclean3457 7 днів тому

    My thinking is once rogier falls asleep and passes fia takes him since we fight him in the deeproots

    • @LastProtagonist
      @LastProtagonist 7 днів тому

      I may have forgot to mention that. I think on my first playthrough, I fought Rogier, then went back to the RTH, and _then_ he said the lines about the fathomless slumber and I was really confused though

  • @jeftecoutinho
    @jeftecoutinho 9 днів тому

    10:16 Miyazaki actually said that the Erdtree enforces the Elden Ring's order.

  • @BoogeyMan31
    @BoogeyMan31 9 днів тому

    This the Eren Yeager ending

  • @BoomdroopInfernal-Chi
    @BoomdroopInfernal-Chi 10 днів тому

    Only after watching you point it out in this video do i finally see the visual similarities between Amygdala and Garden Of Eyes. And now, I need a lore theory based on this.

  • @darkangel5403
    @darkangel5403 12 днів тому

    Yoo smoughs been telling me to check you out for so long😂 glad my recommended finally got me here.

  • @angelus_lucifero
    @angelus_lucifero 12 днів тому

    So this actually corroborates Tarnished Archeologist's video called "The Secret Histories of the Omen and Misbegotten." Taking into consideration the pretty overt arboreal metaphor, the Helphen, Crucible, and the Erdtree are all the same "Great Tree." The Helphen would've been the original great tree during the age of the dragons, and then when it was destroyed (still unclear on the how and when) the Crucible would've been the era when all of the competing sprouts were growing out of its stump, and one of those sprouts was Marika's grafted Erdtree, at which point her rise to power would've taken place, eventually leading to her wiping out the competing sprouts to clear the way for her own sprout to grow. The part of the tree that is the same one Great Tree is the rootstock, upon which these different eras were built on. Go give the video a watch, there are very explicit visual representations of the crucible outside of the Siluria's Tree weapon and Crucible Knight helm, in the form of multiple statues depicting the "crown sprouting" from the original stump and Marika's Erdtree rising above the rest.

    • @LastProtagonist
      @LastProtagonist 12 днів тому

      It does not. It does the opposite in fact (until we get more info,) because there's no "separation" from Crucible to Erdtree. In order for Marika to graft an "Erdtree" sprout on the so-called greattree, which in and of itself is a reference to the Erdtree, it would imply there would have had to have been an Erdtree already to take a branch from for grafting

  • @chrisetcetera8058
    @chrisetcetera8058 12 днів тому

    Wait, so crucible in Japanese is "rutsubo", pronounced roots-ubo? Considering the sheer amount of plant/tree wordplay going on in the English text, is it possible that this is cross-language wordplay and the crucible is literally just the root system of the erdtree/greatree and the minor erdtrees much like Pando?

  • @j.dickson
    @j.dickson 12 днів тому

    Early to bed last night. Peeping some of the vod 😊

  • @handandless7115
    @handandless7115 13 днів тому

    I can't get enough of "Carol from HR" Sir Gideon

  • @jakelee8789
    @jakelee8789 13 днів тому

    If I'm not mistaken you have to acquire comet azur to trigger the rest of sellens quest

  • @MissMaiaa
    @MissMaiaa 13 днів тому

    The Erd Tree is basically the burning bush God used to talk through to Moses. But if everyone else knew about the prophecy Moses received. They would’ve definitely worshipped it. 😂 Marika is basically Jesus, sacrificing herself for a greater purpose (that we don’t know yet) except the Greater Will doesn’t seem like it appreciated her action.

  • @Norwaygirl11
    @Norwaygirl11 13 днів тому

    The “no war in Ba Sing Se” part killed me 😂

  • @Eladelia
    @Eladelia 13 днів тому

    As ordered: Thursday you need to go to the dining halls, visit Godwyn for stuff with Rogier, and deal with the boss.

  • @SadCats666
    @SadCats666 13 днів тому

    Waaay better than that vaaati dbag could ever explain. His whole grift is posting the same concept 20 diff times cause he knows people will click on his bs

  • @ManleyReviews
    @ManleyReviews 14 днів тому

    Thanks for watching! Also DS1 sold 2.7 mill by the end of 2013 not 11 according to Bandai namco earning reports. The fire alarm joke is satirizing the concept of poor impulse control and mocking the idea of "look what it's wearing" for those that missed that subtext and thought it was just a r#p joke.

  • @Halfgnomen
    @Halfgnomen 14 днів тому

    I think, The Great Tree & The Crucible are the same thing, The Erdtree is the golden bit and the greater will was allowing various factions to compete for which order will rule. It's why Godfrey has axe knights, he had to cut down the other trees.

  • @D3adMoros3
    @D3adMoros3 14 днів тому

    I would generally agree that the proposed timeline makes a lot of thematic sense, I have to question how it works while taking the following in consideration: “The Rune of Death goes by two names; the other is Destined Death. The forbidden shadow, plucked from the Golden Order upon its creation..” - dialogue from Enia; “They were conceived at the great Academy of Raya Lucaria, to the north of this castle. In the past, they obeyed laws which contravened the Golden Order, or so I'm told. Fascinating, isn't it? That the Golden Order was pliable enough to absorb practices that contradicted itself in the past.” - dialogue from Rogier about the Ashes of War that he sells. The two together basically say that the GO existed during Godfrey’s conquests, seeing how the traditions of Caria and the academy only became part of the Order with Radagon’s marriage. Do you see it as Rogier being misinformed? Edit: iirc, there’s also a part of the Miyazaki interview from the “Overture of the Elden Ring” where he says that the Golden Order was ruled by two Lords and Godfrey was first of them. Will have to find it later Edit 2: it wasn’t from the Overture, but from the EDGE interview: www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/rtz11y/edge_magazine_elden_ring_interview_in_full/

    • @LastProtagonist
      @LastProtagonist 14 днів тому

      Yes. With Radagon ordering the Preceptors into silence with their Masks of Confidence, and the GO's most fervent adherents like Corhyn and Goldmask being unaware of its origins, I think Rogier was fed Golden Order propaganda, and Rogier pointing out it's what he's been "told" further cements the story as being hearsay. I don't think the EDGE interview contradicts this timeline either: "In the sort of heyday of The Golden Order of the Lands Between there were two Elden Lords, and Godfrey was the first of these." Godfrey is the first "Elden Lord," not necessarily "First Elden Lord of the Golden Order." I think the more problematic description for this theory is the Telescope tbh, which says: "During the age of the Erdtree, Carian astrology withered on the vine. The fate once writ in the night skies had been fettered by the Golden Order." With Radagon essentially being called "Golden Order, Radagon" though, I think we can still headcanon that if he represents the GO, there isn't a complete contradiction here, and it's also curious that it mentions the "Age of the Erdtree." Others think the GO fettering the stars could be when Radahn challenges them. º𐑧㋛𐑨º

    • @D3adMoros3
      @D3adMoros3 14 днів тому

      @@LastProtagonist With every new addition and explanation, the lore becomes more twisted and deformed. Surely, the DLC will fix it, right? Right? On a serious note, I have been thinking a lot about the accuracy Rogier’s dialogue (especially as far as it concerns the Black Knives). While I’m a little on the fence about saying that it’s fundamentally incorrect, I can see where the perspective comes from (Renalla being both the First and the Last Queen of Caria certainly gave my head a good spin). It is however weird how this dialogue and the Telescope description are the only things in the entire game that tie the GO and Age of the Erdtree together. Two completely missable things in the larger scheme of the game that make the entire thing just…weird.

  • @tylerhawksmoor9601
    @tylerhawksmoor9601 14 днів тому

    the erdtree was created with blood.

  • @ghostdreamer7272
    @ghostdreamer7272 15 днів тому

    Interesting, and great theory! This makes the change of Elden Lords actually mean something, and make sense why the Crucible Knights served Godfrey.

  • @codytaylor7861
    @codytaylor7861 15 днів тому

    The good hunter becomes squid batman and protects Yharnam from cosmic horrors.

  • @SuperSayajim
    @SuperSayajim 15 днів тому

    I just wanted to let you know you're the only source of information I'm willing to listen to, and I'm super hostile towards any other channel that even slightly contradicts you

    • @LastProtagonist
      @LastProtagonist 15 днів тому

      Um, thanks? But I won't condone outright hostility towards others. Even if I disagree with folks, there can still be value in understanding their viewpoint, so I'd ask you to be respectful toward others at a bare minimum

  • @jackdubois1512
    @jackdubois1512 15 днів тому

    The land octopus is just a mutated goose barnacle. If you google it youll see right away